"The new credit card-sized certificates are made from high-quality composite
PVC media card stock and incorporate new security features, such as a
hologram of the FAA seal. They will replace the existing paper airman
certificates which can be easily damaged."

http://www2.faa.gov/index.cfm/apa/1062?id=1762

>"The new credit card-sized certificates are made from high-quality composite
>PVC media card stock and incorporate new security features, such as a
>hologram of the FAA seal. They will replace the existing paper airman
>certificates which can be easily damaged."

This will certainly increase our bragging rights at cocktail parties
and on first dates (first encounters? -- what are dates called these
days, anyhow?).

I was somewhat disappointed at the sight of my certificate, but that
was nothing to the disappointment of the few people I showed it to. I
got the impression that they suspected I'd cut it off the back of a
box of Wheaties.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

Cub Driver > wrote:
>I was somewhat disappointed at the sight of my certificate, but that
>was nothing to the disappointment of the few people I showed it to. I

Heh, that was the first thing that I thought of when I read the news
too (though unfortunately I'm in Canada so we won't get these new
licenses).

The license in Canada consists of three pieces of folded-up paper --
the license, the medical and the radio license. It looks like it
was made on a photocopier. People always seem disappointed that it's
not at least as hi-tech as our driver's licenses, which are
credit-card-sized and come with all sorts of cool holograms and whatnot.

I'd actually like the radio cert., the pilot's license, and the medical
all combined into one credit-card-sized card. Would make it a lot
easier to just carry around all the time, and therefore harder to forget
when you go flying.

- awh

If you're at OSH this week you can stop by the FAA pavilion and fill out a
short form to replace your certificate. There is no charge, and they claim
you'll have the new one in 3-4 weeks.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

Can they still be laminated?


"Hilton" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> "The new credit card-sized certificates are made from high-quality
composite
> PVC media card stock and incorporate new security features, such as a
> hologram of the FAA seal. They will replace the existing paper airman
> certificates which can be easily damaged."
>
> http://www2.faa.gov/index.cfm/apa/1062?id=1762
>
>

"Hilton" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> "The new credit card-sized certificates are made from high-quality
composite
> PVC media card stock and incorporate new security features, such as a
> hologram of the FAA seal. They will replace the existing paper airman
> certificates which can be easily damaged."
>
> http://www2.faa.gov/index.cfm/apa/1062?id=1762
>
>

Cool! It's about time. Whenever I show my certificate to someone, they
always kinda give me a funny look like I'm BS-ing them or something.

Do you know if they have a picture of them anywhere online?

"Dan Luke" > wrote in message >...
> If you're at OSH this week you can stop by the FAA pavilion and fill out a
> short form to replace your certificate. There is no charge, and they claim
> you'll have the new one in 3-4 weeks.


Will they replace all your certificates at once?

After re-reading the article I'm not so sure this is a good thing. I
don't think I have room in my wallet for 3 "PVC media card stock"
certificates. It would be nice if the FAA would allow multiple
certificates to be issued on one card.


"Hilton" > wrote in message t>...
> "The new credit card-sized certificates are made from high-quality composite
> PVC media card stock and incorporate new security features, such as a
> hologram of the FAA seal. They will replace the existing paper airman
> certificates which can be easily damaged."
>
> http://www2.faa.gov/index.cfm/apa/1062?id=1762

On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 05:54:18 GMT, "Hilton" > wrote in
Message-Id: t>:

>The new credit card-sized certificates are made from high-quality composite
>PVC media card stock and incorporate new security features, such as a
>hologram of the FAA seal.


If the card-sized certificates had a photograph and magnetic stripe
also, I might believe the FAA had become aware that we are truly
living in the 21st century. :-)

--

Irrational beliefs ultimately lead to irrational acts.
-- Larry Dighera,

"Gil Brice" ALL THIS STUFF> wrote in message
...
> Can they still be laminated?

I don't know all the terms used in the printing industry, but to me "PVC"
implies that there will be no need. It's basically a plastic card now, as
near as I can tell.

It does beg the question of how the certificate is to be signed. Maybe
something like a credit card has on the back.

Pete

"Robert M. Gary" wrote:

> Will they replace all your certificates at once?

I dunno, Robert. I only have one, so I didn't ask them.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

Larry Dighera > writes:

>If the card-sized certificates had a photograph and magnetic stripe
>also, I might believe the FAA had become aware that we are truly
>living in the 21st century. :-)

That would also make me believe that they were making the certificate
into something it isn't.

What's next? Do you want your medical to have a picture of your
colon?

--kyler

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
...
> Yeah, the previous certificate looked like it was printed with a cheap
> quality 9-pin dot matrix printer

Must've been awhile since you got a certificate. For awhile now, they've
looked like they were printed with a cheap laser printer. I never saw a
dot-matrix printer look so good.

As long as you all are going to get replacement certs, consider this:
I'm sending in the form for changing my cert# (as they all have been
issued as SSNs but now they realize thats a bad idea; they wont change
it to a random # unless you ask).
I figure if they need to send me a new certificate with the new number
on it, theyre going to send the new kind. Kill two birds with one
stone.

http://registry.faa.gov/airmen.asp#ChangeCertificateNumber

From there you can print out a form to mail in authorizing the change
of cert#

One other thing about getting a new cert via change of cert#: its free
(rather than the $2 the FAA wants for lost/replacement certs)

Larry Dighera > wrote in message >...
> If the card-sized certificates had a photograph and magnetic stripe
> also, I might believe the FAA had become aware that we are truly
> living in the 21st century. :-)

And what purpose would this serve?

As it stands now, the paper certificate serves its purpose;
pronouncing that the named individual has the named privileges and
ratings. Adding pictures, being on composite material, and using a
magnetic stripe won't add any value. The certificate is not meant to
serve as identification.

I like the cardboard certificate's utilitarian purpose.

SM

In article >,
(Squirrel) wrote:

> I like the cardboard certificate's utilitarian purpose.

I like the way it doesn't fatten my wallet.

--
Larry Fransson
Aviation software for Mac OS X!
http://www.subcritical.com

"Squirrel" wrote ...
> I like the cardboard certificate's utilitarian purpose.

It doesn't survive the washer all that well though... I welcome the plastic
ones...

"Hilton" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> "The new credit card-sized certificates are made from high-quality
composite
> PVC media card stock and incorporate new security features, such as a
> hologram of the FAA seal. --

Whoo Hoo!!! Sure glad about that,,, now they don't have to worry about
someone counterfeiting the FAA seal.... (was this really a problem?) :-/

Are you going to order a replacement? I might if I knew that you were! :-)

--
Good Flights!

Cecil E. Chapman, Jr.
PP-ASEL

"We who fly do so for the love of flying.
We are alive in the air with this miracle
that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"

- Cecil Day Lewis-

My personal adventures as a student pilot
and after my PPL: www.bayareapilot.com

>
> http://www2.faa.gov/index.cfm/apa/1062?id=1762
>
>
>

The original date of issue cannot be placed on a replacement certificate.
Expired certificates cannot be issued; however, an expired CFI letter can be
requested at no charge.

Not a BIG deal,,, but I would kind of like having the original date on it...
But then again, when I eventually get my instrument rating they will
probably issue a new certificate with the date that I upgraded the
certificate... right????

--
--
Good Flights!

Cecil E. Chapman, Jr.
PP-ASEL

"We who fly do so for the love of flying.
We are alive in the air with this miracle
that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"

- Cecil Day Lewis-

My personal adventures as a student pilot
and after my PPL: www.bayareapilot.com
"Hilton" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> "The new credit card-sized certificates are made from high-quality
composite
> PVC media card stock and incorporate new security features, such as a
> hologram of the FAA seal. They will replace the existing paper airman
> certificates which can be easily damaged."
>
> http://www2.faa.gov/index.cfm/apa/1062?id=1762
>
>
>

I requested a certificate without my social security number and the one they
sent had a new date on it. Now when I go to rent a plane I am asked if I
just recently passed my checkride.


"Cecil E. Chapman" > wrote in message
. com...
> The original date of issue cannot be placed on a replacement certificate.
> Expired certificates cannot be issued; however, an expired CFI letter can
be
> requested at no charge.
>
> Not a BIG deal,,, but I would kind of like having the original date on
it...
> But then again, when I eventually get my instrument rating they will
> probably issue a new certificate with the date that I upgraded the
> certificate... right????
>
> --
> --
> Good Flights!
>
> Cecil E. Chapman, Jr.
> PP-ASEL
>
> "We who fly do so for the love of flying.
> We are alive in the air with this miracle
> that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
>
> - Cecil Day Lewis-
>
> My personal adventures as a student pilot
> and after my PPL: www.bayareapilot.com
> "Hilton" > wrote in message
> nk.net...
> > "The new credit card-sized certificates are made from high-quality
> composite
> > PVC media card stock and incorporate new security features, such as a
> > hologram of the FAA seal. They will replace the existing paper airman
> > certificates which can be easily damaged."
> >
> > http://www2.faa.gov/index.cfm/apa/1062?id=1762
> >
> >
> >
>
>

so tell them no.. it's a re-issue to clear the SSAN and offer your logbook
if they request it.,

BT

"Peter Gottlieb" > wrote in message
. net...
> I requested a certificate without my social security number and the one
they
> sent had a new date on it. Now when I go to rent a plane I am asked if I
> just recently passed my checkride.
>
>
> "Cecil E. Chapman" > wrote in message
> . com...
> > The original date of issue cannot be placed on a replacement
certificate.
> > Expired certificates cannot be issued; however, an expired CFI letter
can
> be
> > requested at no charge.
> >
> > Not a BIG deal,,, but I would kind of like having the original date on
> it...
> > But then again, when I eventually get my instrument rating they will
> > probably issue a new certificate with the date that I upgraded the
> > certificate... right????
> >
> > --
> > --
> > Good Flights!
> >
> > Cecil E. Chapman, Jr.
> > PP-ASEL
> >
> > "We who fly do so for the love of flying.
> > We are alive in the air with this miracle
> > that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
> >
> > - Cecil Day Lewis-
> >
> > My personal adventures as a student pilot
> > and after my PPL: www.bayareapilot.com
> > "Hilton" > wrote in message
> > nk.net...
> > > "The new credit card-sized certificates are made from high-quality
> > composite
> > > PVC media card stock and incorporate new security features, such as a
> > > hologram of the FAA seal. They will replace the existing paper airman
> > > certificates which can be easily damaged."
> > >
> > > http://www2.faa.gov/index.cfm/apa/1062?id=1762
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Cecil wrote:
> Hilton wrote:
> > "The new credit card-sized certificates are made from high-quality
> composite
> > PVC media card stock and incorporate new security features, such as a
> > hologram of the FAA seal. --
>
> Whoo Hoo!!! Sure glad about that,,, now they don't have to worry about
> someone counterfeiting the FAA seal.... (was this really a problem?) :-/
>
> Are you going to order a replacement? I might if I knew that you were!
:-)

Actually I sent in my $2 a few days *before* learning about the new format.
I'll still have the old Commercial and Ground Instructor ones though. I'm
going to try 'earn' a new Commercial certificate sometime soon I hope. You
can have a lot of fun not taking a BFR if you know what I mean. :)

Hilton

(Squirrel) wrote in message >...
> Larry Dighera > wrote in message >...
> > If the card-sized certificates had a photograph and magnetic stripe
> > also, I might believe the FAA had become aware that we are truly
> > living in the 21st century. :-)
>
> And what purpose would this serve?
>
> As it stands now, the paper certificate serves its purpose;
> pronouncing that the named individual has the named privileges and
> ratings. Adding pictures, being on composite material, and using a
> magnetic stripe won't add any value. The certificate is not meant to
> serve as identification.
>
> I like the cardboard certificate's utilitarian purpose.
>
> SM

And...the Social Security card was not meant for identification
either? At least I have one that says so. Just a matter of time before
everyone has a number tatooed on their forehead that can only be seen
by a special light that "only certain government agencies will be able
to use...." Then it won't be necessary to carry ID of any kind.
Before you just poo poo the post, think about it a little. The changes
are inexhorable and inevitable. scares hell out of me but I'll be dead
by the time my grandkids have to figure a way to counter it all.